[ale] kimset

[cfowler]

Circumventing access controls is wrong.  But what if there are no access
controls?


On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 23:30, Jonathan Rickman wrote:
> On 12 Feb 2003, Mike Panetta wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 19:13, Jonathan Rickman wrote:
> >
> > > You're on shaky ground, and in my not so humble opinion, deserve whatever
> > > you get. Detecting networks is one thing, perfectly acceptable. Accessing
> > > them when they're wide open and inviting you in is a grey area. Blatantly
> > > circumventing access controls, however weak and useless, is a
> > > crime...period.
> >
> > So you agree with the DMCA then?  This is a DMCA issue, it says
> > circumvention (for any reason) is illegal.  I know this is sort of off
> > topic, but the statement you made has DMCA written all over it.  This is
> > exactly why the DMCA was written, to allow people to have weak security
> > and make it possible for them to keep weak security by persecuting
> > anyone that tries to break it (for any reason).  I believe what he did
> > is acceptable, assuming he did not do it for any malicious reason.
> > Please do not add any fuel to the DMCA fire by making statements like
> > this.
> 
> I expected this to come up, but refrained from clarifying for the sake of
> letting the issue drop. Allow me to clarify. Blatently circumventing
> access controls designed to keep you out of someone else's stuff is a
> crime. I dont know how much more clear I can be about it. Are you
> suggesting that I should be allowed to crack your systems as long as my
> intentions are good? What if I inadvertantly damage one of your mission
> critical systems? Is that ok, because I was just "seeking knowledge"?
> Those days are over guys. Back in the day (long before I hit the scene)
> that may have been ok. We live in a different world now. Deal with it.
> 
> --
> Jonathan Rickman
> X Corps Security
> http://www.xcorps.net
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