[ale] OT: Component Building

[Greg]

	Thanks, Joe.  I stand corrected. I had heard of some Open Source company
trying to do .NET for Linux, but nothing like this. The product "actually
recompiles Windows source code with the Unix compilers to create native UNIX
applications." and "The second component, the Visual MainWin platform, is a
true Windows platform for UNIX. More than seven million lines of original
Windows source code in Visual MainWin ensure smooth, effective application
porting. In fact, with Visual MainWin, applications use the same APIs on
UNIX as they do on Windows. As a result, <oh boy !>applications will run on
UNIX exactly as they do on Windows." Quotes from the website.

	Any one have any experience of this before I <shudder> download/get a CD
copy and risk hosing both my MS 2k and a Linux box ? Considering my Visual
Studio has hosed itself recently I don't particularly care to mess with it
too much.

	Can any one see the benefits here ? or am I missing something ? of course,
Visual Studio is IMHO the best IDE invented developer wise (no comments on
WHAT is developed on it - VB,ASP,C++,J++ - I just like the layout, easy to
do things in 2-3 tiers at the same timeness of it). I don't know what is
gained by running COM on top of a *nix, especially if the crap in MS is now
ported over to a *nix.  My last company insisted on the porting of a Unix
app to NT and it was an unholy disaster... Yes, I know that software
developers could "theoretically" have only to keep one single codebase and
just port at the press of a button, and this would "save" a lot of bucks,
but it seems to me that they would lose it on the multitude of problems
generated by supporting it..<bulb goes on> oh, 	NOW I see...support
fees..hehehe..<butthead & beavis laugh>..support fees...

Greg Canter



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe at orado.localdomain.private
> [mailto:Joe at orado.localdomain.private]On Behalf Of Joseph A Knapka
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 11:45 AM
> To: Greg
> Cc: Kevin O'Neill Stoll; ale at ale.org
> Subject: Re: [ale] OT: Component Building
>
>
> Greg wrote:
> >
> >         Well, first of all I don't think I understand the
> question. COM or COM+
> > (starting with MS 2000) is run only on Microsoft OS's. IT IS
> PROPRIETARY.
>
> True, but M$ has licensed selected vendors to develop DCOM
> for Unix, and is "cooperating" with those efforts. I know
> of no successful application deployments built atop
> DCOM on Unix, but it's supposedly possible. I believe
> Mainsoft <URL: http://www.mainsoft.com> was a player
> in that field. Also, it seems Microsoft has made the
> source code for the non-Windows platforms available,
> though not as free software.
>
> The DCOM protocol is reasonably well-documented. An
> open-source DCOM implementation might not exactly rock
> hard, but it might achieve the rockage of, say, a
> Neil Diamond or a Barry Manilow. Though probably not
> the market penetration.
>
> Cheers,
>
> -- Joe
>
> > The lawsuit between MS and Sun stopped MS's poaching on Java.
> I think that
> > there is a mod to run FrontPage extensions on Apache, but
> that's as far as
> > it goes.  MS has repeatedly stayed away from getting too close
> to any *nix,
> > saying that is is "viral" in nature, which it is.. the GPL
> would force MS to
> > give up source code (of course MS will steal anything else not
> nailed down
> > <cough> mozilla <cough> kerberos).  So the answer is I guess "nothing".
> >
> >         If you are talking about multi-tiered stuff, then yes,
> Java does that, as
> > well as using CGI (ack spht) which would allow you to build (I guess you
> > could call them components) stuff in pick-a-language. Or are you talking
> > about CORBA perchance ?
> >
> > Greg Canter
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Kevin O'Neill Stoll [mailto:kevinostoll at yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 4:30 PM
> > > To: ale at ale.org
> > > Subject: [ale] OT: Component Building
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > >     Aside from Java what languages are at a programmers disposal
> > > to develop
> > > Distributed COM objects in an Unix environment.
> > >
> > >     I realize this isn't much to go on but I don't want to stifle the
> > > creativity of responses that I receive.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > > Kevin O'Neill Stoll
> > > http://kevinstoll.org/
> > > (770) 569-7251
> > >
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