[ale] Ale Inc.? - Let's stop the war... please.

[Christopher Bergeron]

Guys, I didn't want to start a language war here.  I think we can all agree
that every language has it's pluses and minuses.  I vote that we stop this
war.  Please.

Thanks,
CB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoffrey [mailto:esoteric at 3times25.net]
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:36 PM
> To: ale at ale.org
> Subject: Re: [ale] Ale Inc.? (was RE: [ale] surviving sans work
>
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> Kevin Krumwiede wrote:
>
> >>        I'd disagree.  It is meaningful to point out that if you're
> >>doing Java, you do it OOP and you're not given a choice (even Python
> >>(*shudder* :) will let you get away with being somewhat procedural for
> >>the main body of your program; at least for things on the order of
> >>`hello world').  It's meaningful that Java enforces strong typing
> >>(with all the benefits and hindrances that brings with it).
>
>  >
>
> >
> > I agree that being forced to use OOP is annoying.
>
>
> You really don't want a language designed to do both OOP and structured.
>   If you do, some schmuck will toggle between the two and put us all in
> the loony bin.
>
> > I the main body of my
> > programs usually resides in a class where everything is static, or else
> > simply local to the main method.
>
>
> Would that be a reasonable approach to programming?
>
> > The weirdest thing in the world is a
> > program that creates an instance of itself in its own main method.  The
> > first time I saw that, it just twisted my brain in little knots and I
> > resolved never to do it. :-)
>
>
>
> Methinks my Javaless brain would call that recursion???
>
>
> >
> > Joseph is right, too, about the need for something akin to C++
> templates.
> > There's something in the works being pushed by a few for
> inclusion into Java
> > 1.5, but that's a long way off.  As it is, Java's container
> classes store
> > everything as Objects -- the equivalent of void pointers.  As
> he said, this
> > can render Java's supposedly strong type-safety all but useless.
>
>
> --
> Until later: Geoffrey		esoteric at 3times25.net
>
> "...the system (Microsoft passport) carries significant risks to
> users that
> are not made adequately clear in the technical documentation available."
> - David P. Kormann and Aviel D. Rubin, AT&T Labs - Research
> - http://www.avirubin.com/passport.html
>
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